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Post by Felix on Sept 21, 2015 1:07:28 GMT -8
Well, here I'll start.
Star Viper is Cobra Commander.
Proof: In the comic commercial for issue #72, Chris Latta voices him.
Okay, it's not much to go on, but the figure always looked too important to me to just be another pilot.
With the cartoon scrapped, and Cobra Commander killed off in the comics, I think the Hasbro reps must have told Larry, "Hey! Do something with this guy!"
Here's another one:
Dogfight is Wild Bill.
I think this one is just plain obvious.
Snow Job and Outback are the same guy.
Actually, this one is suggested in the comic mission Stalker leads Quick Kick, Snow Job, and Outback on.
In the Special Missions series Outback acquires some ski's to escape and what's even funnier is Outback is depicted on the cover hiding in the snow from the enemy troops shaking from the cold....If only the survivalist had a nice winter coat like Snow Job.
And
Downtown = Short-Fuse.
*Odd point of interest, I'd love to see a LBC custom of Cross Country version one with a version 2 chest.
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Post by Swindle on Sept 21, 2015 14:44:58 GMT -8
Interesting topic.
I always thought Mercer flipped flopped loyalties. He was not a true GIJoe.
Dial-Tone lost his job to his sister, who even took his codename. Not the first time he's been fired from GIJoe.
Shipwreck actually used to be a Cobra, which is why he was hanging out in that Cobra Bar.
Duke's death was covered up in GIjoe the Movie for morale purposes.
Baroness and Cobra Commander are siblings no matter what.
Pythona intended to side with Serpentor and topple Golobusus.
Cobra Commander is the last Cobra standing, no matter what, as seen in Transformers.
Cobra Commander covered up Zartan's paranoid schizophrenia because others might not be comfortable working with someone like that.
Those are a few ideas off the top of my head.
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Post by Felix on Sept 21, 2015 20:35:13 GMT -8
Thanks  I always thought Mercer flipped flopped loyalties. He was not a true GIJoe. I never trusted the guy ;-) *Edit. *He could be deep cover COBRA or deep cover JOE. Either way, nobody likes him. Dial-Tone lost his job to his sister, who even took his codename. Not the first time he's been fired from GIJoe. He's got to be the most underrated Joe of all time. Poor guy can't ever catch a break. He had quite a bit of dialogue and story in the Sunbow series. Shipwreck actually used to be a Cobra, which is why he was hanging out in that Cobra Bar. 100% agree with this. However, I think he got put in a position where he had no other choice ;-) Duke's death was covered up in GIjoe the Movie for morale purposes. Confirmed solid fact!!! Baroness and Cobra Commander are siblings no matter what. I never thought of her that way until Rise of Cobra. Pythona intended to side with Serpentor and topple Golobusus. Yeah. Serpentor was designed to rule, but Golobulus is in charge. This does not make sense. Cobra Commander is the last Cobra standing, no matter what, as seen in Transformers. YUP!!! YUP!!! Cobra Commander covered up Zartan's paranoid schizophrenia because others might not be comfortable working with someone like that. That's a really good one! 10 points!!! :-) |
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Post by Bravo on Sept 23, 2015 11:04:40 GMT -8
My biggest one, either Hawk or Flagg were working for Cobra in the comics.
Hawk: Issue #1, Hawk orders Stalker, Grunt and Short-fuze to leave a light plane intact at airfield. they do this, after destroying dummy planes. Cobra Commander and the Baroness later use this plane to escape the island. Why was the plane left? Not for the team, it could only carry very few, not the whole Joe team. If it was for the Doctor, who was supposed to pilot Burkhart out? Why did Cobra have dummy planes, unless they knew details about the operation? How did the Joes let the Baroness escape after capturing her?
Flagg: Issue #5, misses chance to shoot Cobra Commander at a close range, despite being an expert shot...supposedly because there were children present.
Hawk: Issue 6 and 7, openly communicates with Cobra, allegedly as part of the decoy operation, but what if that was just a cover?
Hawk: Issue 19, Hawk inexplicably transfers the Baroness, who should still be in an ICU, to the fake HQ building as "bait". He doesn't know that Cobra knows she's alive...unless he himself told them. Flagg seems to think this odd. Note that Bludd is also there, a high risk captive...without sufficient guard on duty. We saw what happened. Bludd escapes with Baroness, eliminated Flagg and leaves Scarface to die.
Hawk: Issue #50, Despite years of Cobra activity, most evidence at Springfield is gone/destroyed...Hawk led the operation...most of Cobra's assets escape. The team takes the blame. Hawk acts upset by it, but who's to say that wasn't part of the plan?
Going by the commercials Darklon and Major Bludd has the same voice...was Bludd really a cousin of Destro's and a European dictator all along?
In the Tiger Force commercial DUSTY exclaims "DUKE IS BACK"...meaning he awakened from his coma and recovered. Or he's a look-alike to continue the morale cover-up.
The real Cobra Commander died in the comics, the one that reappears around issue 100 is a clone brainwashed to believe he's the original by the Crimson Guard. They put in his mind an intense hatred of Billy and a desire to eliminate anyone else who'd suspect the truth (Zartan).
In the Dic series, half of Cobra's high command perished at Cobra-La, the crimson twins, Mindbender, Firefly, Scrap-Iron, all the dreadnoks except Zarana. This is why Copperhead gets promoted. Also, massive troop loss, hence why GI JOE in Dragonfire is a scaled back force being led by Slaughter. Cobra's threat was considerably reduced. Major Bludd later turns up alive, but he may never have been at Cobra-La at all.
There's a fourth Dreadnok at Zartan's cabin (who disappears). Who is he?
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Post by Felix on Sept 27, 2015 20:12:49 GMT -8
My biggest one, either Hawk or Flagg were working for Cobra in the comics. BRILLIANT!!!!! Hawk: Issue #1, Hawk orders Stalker, Grunt and Short-fuze to leave a light plane intact at airfield. they do this, after destroying dummy planes. Cobra Commander and the Baroness later use this plane to escape the island. Why was the plane left? Not for the team, it could only carry very few, not the whole Joe team. If it was for the Doctor, who was supposed to pilot Burkhart out? Why did Cobra have dummy planes, unless they knew details about the operation? How did the Joes let the Baroness escape after capturing her? Good points, either way, he's an Officer and not to be trusted! Flagg: Issue #5, misses chance to shoot Cobra Commander at a close range, despite being an expert shot...supposedly because there were children present Not a good excuse. Maybe Hawk and Flagg were the Jugglers all along! Hawk: Issue 6 and 7, openly communicates with Cobra, allegedly as part of the decoy operation, but what if that was just a cover? Yeah, that's just...weird. Hawk: Issue 19, Hawk inexplicably transfers the Baroness, who should still be in an ICU, to the fake HQ building as "bait". He doesn't know that Cobra knows she's alive...unless he himself told them. Flagg seems to think this odd. Note that Bludd is also there, a high risk captive...without sufficient guard on duty. We saw what happened. Bludd escapes with Baroness, eliminated Flagg and leaves Scarface to die. Hawk: Issue #50, Despite years of Cobra activity, most evidence at Springfield is gone/destroyed...Hawk led the operation...most of Cobra's assets escape. The team takes the blame. Hawk acts upset by it, but who's to say that wasn't part of the plan? I'll never look at him the same again. Going by the commercials Darklon and Major Bludd has the same voice...was Bludd really a cousin of Destro's and a European dictator all along? I have further evidence to support this theory. In issue #54 or #56 I think the title is called "Side by side with DESTRO!", Major Bludd is running Destro's forces as an imposter of Destro himself! In the Tiger Force commercial DUSTY exclaims "DUKE IS BACK"...meaning he awakened from his coma and recovered. Or he's a look-alike to continue the morale cover-up. Tiger Force Duke, the whole thing is weird. Could he be a Synthoid? The real Cobra Commander died in the comics, the one that reappears around issue 100 is a clone brainwashed to believe he's the original by the Crimson Guard. They put in his mind an intense hatred of Billy and a desire to eliminate anyone else who'd suspect the truth (Zartan). This does make sense. Either way it's a lot better than the crap story we got. This is where the cartoon surpassed the comic. Cobra COmmander never would have become as cool as he was without Chris Latta's voice *RIP*. In the Dic series, half of Cobra's high command perished at Cobra-La, the crimson twins, Mindbender, Firefly, Scrap-Iron, all the dreadnoks except Zarana. WOW! I had no idea! I'm shocked! I only ever caught one part of one episode of Dragonfire and saw the end of the drug special DIC did. Falcon was an addict, they ruined my ability to like him after that. I still had Mercer though, so it didn't matter. This is why Copperhead gets promoted. Also, massive troop loss, hence why GI JOE in Dragonfire is a scaled back force being led by Slaughter. Cobra's threat was considerably reduced. Major Bludd later turns up alive, but he may never have been at Cobra-La at all. I felt it was implied Bludd died in the begining of G.I. JOE the movie. Duke shoots the CLAW he's flying and blasts it into smithereens. There's no parachute that can save him, because his back is on fire. There's a look of terror in Major Bludd's eye like, oh shit, I'm dead!" You also do not see him again in the opening sequence!!! And I feel, like Duke, his character got thrown into the opening shot at the terrordrome after Duke's Death/Coma edit. There's a fourth Dreadnok at Zartan's cabin (who disappears). Who is he? This sounds very interesting, and I want to guess this is Zartan. If not, Zandar or Monkeywrench...not sure, wish I could look up the scene or image. |
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Post by Bravo on Sept 28, 2015 6:38:02 GMT -8
Bludd posing as Destro would've shown Bludd's missing, blinded or fake eye, a give away that he was an imposter...yet his that isn't so. So was Bludd faking it with the eye patch?
IIRC, Bludd is a silent background character in the C.C./Serpentor argument before Pythona shows up.
I hypothesized that Firefly died at Cobra-La, but IIRC, he is in a Stun that crashes in the Himalayan mountain BET battle and never appears again. He got away? Was captured?
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Post by Felix on Sept 28, 2015 16:55:19 GMT -8
Bludd posing as Destro would've shown Bludd's missing, blinded or fake eye, a give away that he was an imposter...yet his that isn't so. So was Bludd faking it with the eye patch? When the mask is moved, he's got the patch on. But if Bludd can get away with it in Destros mask, I believe he can get away being Darklon too. With all of the crazy gadgets and technology in the G.I. JOE universe, Cobra could have some hologram eye technology. IIRC, Bludd is a silent background character in the C.C./Serpentor argument before Pythona shows up. Yeah, this is why I think they just added him in after they got the negative feedback from Transformers the movie, like "See! He's not dead!" He has no lines in the movie, but the opening song *almost* sounds like Bludd sings for the second call of "COBRAAAA!!!" I hypothesized that Firefly died at Cobra-La, but IIRC, he is in a Stun that crashes in the Himalayan mountain BET battle and never appears again. He got away? Was captured? You are correct, Firefly vanishes after the STUN crash. He could have survived....or maybe he died in the crash. |
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Post by Felix on Sept 28, 2015 20:11:47 GMT -8
Hey guys, I just wanted to say thanks for sharing in this topic, it's a lot of fun, I'm curious to see how far down the rabbit hole we go :-)
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Post by Bravo on Oct 1, 2015 14:19:26 GMT -8
Right about the eye patch.
Destro assumed Serpentor was behind Bludd's impostering...but that was never confirmed. Bludd appears when Star Viper lands after stealing the black box, but IIRC, that's the last time he's ever around Cobra in the comic's run.
I had a weird idea that Firefly died in the freighter and Zartan discovered that (no one knew what Firefly looked, disposing of his body with a uniform swap) and the BATS (Zartan put them there!). Zartan posed as Firefly to get revenge on Cobra Commander...Firefly's Arashikage connection never existed. Look at Zartan's ties to the Red Ninjas. It makes more sense that story Firefly told. Also, note Zartan met Firefly in the swamp...not acknowledging that Firefly once flew his get away copter? IIRC, no one corroborated Firefly's origin story, and only Cobra Commander would know about the "hiring Firefly to kill Snake-eyes first" part...if that happened.
Zartan reappears sometime after the Firefly storyline ends informing Destro and the Joes that Cobra abandoned the island (which always seemed absurd to me, as it's REQUIRED for their sovereignty of their nation) and torched the freighter remains...why is he on Cobra Island? Because he was already there as Firefly!
This goes with Zartan's split personality concept. He could already imitate someone like Firefly easily, but his desire for revenge on Cobra Commander triggered something (not just revenge for himself, remember posing as the Blind Master he sought to look after Tyrone, who died in the freighter). This is also why Firefly didn't execute Zarana.
Remember the never-really-explained robot army under Zartan's shack? Firefly takes over Cobra Island and suddenly super-BATS appear. Hmmm....
Everything Firefly V2 did seems to fit Zartan more than Firefly.
EDIT: I thing Rod Hannah might have made that theory years ago. Can't quite remember.
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Post by Felix on Oct 1, 2015 16:20:12 GMT -8
Mind....blown.
Firefly vs. 2 as Zartan does make total sense. I will support this further by saying it explains Zartan vs. 2's neon green pants!!!!
Regarding Major Bludd in the comics, he does reappear. He try's to take Snake Eyes out with a sniper rifle on the cover of a later issue.
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Post by Bravo on Oct 2, 2015 17:30:46 GMT -8
Of course, the pants! The most obvious clue I missed! Nice catch!
I know, Bludd was working for the Jugglers not Cobra. He's never seen with Cobra again in the old run.
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Post by Felix on Jun 2, 2017 9:46:55 GMT -8
Bringing an old thread up :-)
Falcon and Flint are the same guy.
So is Hawk and Duke.
Zandar's bandana is the sleeve from Zarana's shirt.
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Post by Bravo on Jun 15, 2017 7:58:36 GMT -8
I like the Zandar one. Apparently they were supposed to be fraternal twins, but Hama didn't go that route.
There was an old website, X-entertainment, that pioneered the random pop-culture nostalgia blog style sites that are so popular. The gen-xer who ran it once posted that as a kid, he thought Dr. Mindbender and Destro were the same person.
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Post by Felix on Jun 15, 2017 10:13:24 GMT -8
I've said that myself, lol :-)
I would do this with most of the line, because I would see the card backs with the new characters/figures on them and try to match up ones that seemed familiar.
Sci-Fi, Blowtorch and Flash are all the same guy :-)
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