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Post by Swindle on Jul 22, 2012 12:00:17 GMT -8
So, anyone see this?
Some mild spoilers, I won't go into heavy details, but read at your own risk.
Friends and I went to the 7 O'Clock showing yesterday. It was a packed house. There was some kind of disturbance on the other side of the theater during the movie that I believe had to do with cell phones. First, some workers came in, and the people in question didn't listen to them and leave, later the lights came on and two police officers entered and removed them. The lights stayed on for another 5 to 10 minutes. Very annoying.
Obviously, some people were getting nervous considering the news.
Anyway....
The theme is fairly clear, Bane is a demagogue who masks his nihilism and envy as a noble quest for equality. He has no interest in giving power back to the underclass. He only wants to give them enough hope to keep them in line til he finally destroys Gotham.
Bruce is back to being the clear lead and is given a full character arc, but the one thing I liked is this is the first time I felt they brought in the "Bat-Family" with the inclusion of Catwoman and Robin as allies.
I also give credit to the film for having the nerve to give Bruce a happy ending, something I don't believe has been told as a Batstory (if there is anoher one, I'm not aware of it).
Its a well earned ending and all three films taken together, easily the best comic book story ever told by motion pictures.
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Post by Felix on Jul 22, 2012 12:37:02 GMT -8
I still need to see it. Maybe tonight or tomorrow, just haven't got around to it yet. Part of my lack of excitement is, I've never ever heard of Bane before. The most iconic Batman villain is the Joker, and I strongly feel they didn't need to do another movie. This one just screams, "We want more money for Batman." I didn't know Robin was in this one, something I swear I read Bale said that he would walk away if they even considered doing that.
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Post by Swindle on Jul 22, 2012 12:59:58 GMT -8
I still need to see it. Maybe tonight or tomorrow, just haven't got around to it yet. Part of my lack of excitement is, I've never ever heard of Bane before. The most iconic Batman villain is the Joker, and I strongly feel they didn't need to do another movie. This one just screams, "We want more money for Batman." I didn't know Robin was in this one, something I swear I read Bale said that he would walk away if they even considered doing that. Bane is a fairly recent villain, created in the 90s. The Robin in this film is sort of an amalgam of the many characters who have been Robin in the comics. They did it in a way so it could possibly work in this world and not come off as hokey like Batman and Robin. I disagree with you about not needing another movie. Spider-Man 3 is a movie made just as a cashgrab. This ties Batman Begins and The Dark Knight together. It redeems the Batman name and the decent people of Gotham recognize him as the hero he is by the end of the film. |
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Post by Felix on Jul 22, 2012 13:57:00 GMT -8
I'm glad it's good. This Robin character sounds interesting.
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Post by Zarana-X on Jul 23, 2012 9:18:34 GMT -8
I've never ever heard of Bane before. Here, let me help you out from under that rock.  JK. Bane was introduced around 1993-94 I believe. He was most famous for breaking Batman's back in the comics around the same time. I don't know what part his mask played in the film, but it was originally a respirator that he used to go into a self-inflicted "hulk-like" state. He was in the 90's animated series, and in the horrible Schumacher Batman & Robin film. I also need to see it, too. Still havn't seen Captain America, Avengers, or Amazing Spider-man.  |
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Post by Felix on Jul 26, 2012 23:27:19 GMT -8
Finally saw it tonight. Overall, very good movie. SPOILERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Seems to leave it open to the possibility Batman survived. I'm confused, was the girl villain supposed to be Poisen Ivy? Had a hard time understanding about half of anything Bane said. Cat-Woman seems to also be Bat-Girl in the end, that seemed to work really well. I'm still fine with the way the second film concluded Bad parts are seeing Batman in the light. Makes the make-up under the mask stand out...in a bad way. I noticed it in the other movies, but it was always dark, so it just blended in. This one makes it look more like a costume...which it is anyway...not sure there's even a complaint here Also really liked the preview for "Man of Steel" :-) |
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Post by Zarana-X on Jul 28, 2012 6:53:06 GMT -8
Saw it last night at the drive in. Bane did sound like Sean Connery trying to do another accent. Ra's Al Ghul's daughter didn't seem like she was tryign to be Poison Ivy, to me anyway. Her name is Talia, (don't remember her name from the movie, I found this googling the way to spell Ra's Al Ghul correctly) batman.wikia.com/wiki/Talia_al_GhulI liked the ending. It was a nice resolution, especially for Alfred.  |
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Post by Swindle on Jul 30, 2012 6:07:25 GMT -8
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Post by Bravo on Aug 5, 2012 16:59:04 GMT -8
Saw it today, finally.
It was good. A little overblown at times.
Bane- Had a lot of speeches for a guy who still isn't understandable as I'd have preferred. His thunder gets stolen by the non-suprising reveal near the end. Like a lot of villains he survived by somehow not getting shot by a lot of people who'd like to kill his ass.
He sounded like Sean Connery mixed with Goldfinger.
Death wasn't quite satisfying enough.
Catwoman/Selina Kyle- Needed a few bitch slappings. How could Wayne forgive her, let alone run off to Italy with her...no, sorry. It could be argued that thousands died because of her betrayal. I did like her line about the guns parts. Her costume made no sense....her hair down, leaving potential follicle evidence at crimes scenes.
Dagget- I forgot he was in the movie by the end. The evil side of the 1% percenters. (He was in the 90's cartoon, otherwise i wouldn't have remembered his name.)
Alfred- Fuck you, Alfred. No one turns their back on the goddamned Batman.
Robin/Officer Mary Sue- He wasn't bad, except him figuring out Batman's identity...which why he is the BOY WONDER.
Lucius Fox- As GOD. He knows Batman's destiny and prepared THE BAT for him...but goofed by bringing tumbler protos back. Whoops.
Gordon- Why the guilt trip? Dent wasn't all bad, and doesn't deserve to be remembered with the truth. where'd Bane get the speech...they raided Gordon's apartment and looked at all his letters? Did Gordon carry it with him in the sewer? I like how he talked the police captain into going out and getting killed. Nice.
Why did he ask for Wayne at the hospital, then seem surprised when they said Batman was Bruce Wayne near the end?
Talia- Obviously a baddie when they showed her scar. Her plan was almost absurdly long term. And why'd she keep her cover after it was irrelevant? Once Bane defeated Bats, why was she camped up in the corporate offices with others? she could've faked her death after the fusion core unlocking thing. Her death wasn't right. She should've lived long enough to see her plan FAIL.
Bruce Wayne/Batman- What happened to his leg again? His refusal to kill put millions in jeopardy and there's sort of a "this is revenge for Ra's Al Ghul's death" guilt trip, because Bats let him die. Two Face and Ra's' deaths come back to haunt the good guys. Fuck that shit.
"I won't bore you with the details of how I, penniless, got out of a North African country and back into a quarantined Gotham City."
The plan to have all the cops walk down a street and storm Bane's HQ was really not a good idea. Better plan get ahold of some sniper rifles and shoot Bane in his head the moment he exposes himself.
Scarecrow/Dr. Crane: Survives again. That bastard. Sad to see him only without the mask, but at least he appeared.
It was good trilogy. But I can live without Batman ever battling terrorists/the League of Shadows again, for a few reasons. One being they can never top this and shouldn't try. Another, it's time to see other villains. No more destroying Gotham types.
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Post by Swindle on Aug 5, 2012 20:23:33 GMT -8
Saw it today, finally. Catwoman/Selina Kyle- Needed a few bitch slappings. How could Wayne forgive her, let alone run off to Italy with her...no, sorry. It could be argued that thousands died because of her betrayal. I did like her line about the guns parts. Her costume made no sense....her hair down, leaving potential follicle evidence at crimes scenes. In fairness, Batman has always had a blind spot for Catwoman in the comics. She didn't have any reason to think the finger prints were nothing more than games between One Percenters, not to bring Gotham to the brink. She clearly felt remorse for what happened to Batman in particular and Gotham in general through her actions. I was happy to see a Bruce Timm toon created character make it to the big screen. With mob fools gone, now a vulture capitalist gets to be the badguy whipping boy instead. I do think Bane would have liked to keep him around for the trials had he not started asking questions once he didn't get control of Wayne Enterprises. My only issue is he needed less screentime and more screen time for Catwoman. Also, Bruce needs to train this fucker. It took him seven years to get to the point where he could be Batman. Of course, I view Bruce/Selina in Italy as more a vacation than a retirement and starting up a Batman Inc type deal, my own fanwank. They searched him in the sewers and found that unread speech on his body. I found the Police Guy, Foley?, completely useless. It'd have been better and less predictable had he survived the ground fight. I hate the death = redemption for jerks trope. She had to maintain her cover incase the US Gov or people within the city attempted something stupid. She was the anonymous citizen holding the detonator. The cover is blown if she goes and hangs out with Bane and the League of Shadows. Faking her death is more messy than hiding in plain sight. "I'm The Goddamn Batman!"  If they split this movie in two, maybe you get his great adventure back to Gotham, but as it is, its not needed. Once he got back to the USA, its alot easier to get into Gotham, than out of it, I'd imagine. Scarecrow repesents the Bat-villains that always reappear like cockroaches. The key to making it in Gotham is to think small, not big. Forget Catwoman, he's adaptable! The only thing its missing is Harley Quinn in my book, but for that to have happened, it'd have had to been expanded to six movies. |
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Post by Bravo on Aug 6, 2012 7:13:28 GMT -8
In fairness, Batman has always had a blind spot for Catwoman in the comics. She didn't have any reason to think the finger prints were nothing more than games between One Percenters, not to bring Gotham to the brink. She clearly felt remorse for what happened to Batman in particular and Gotham in general through her actions. Okay, true about Batman's blind spot. (Though, almost every movie villain in the Nolan trilogy has outsmarted Batman at some point.) But all but handing Batman over to Bane...shit, what did she think would happen? Even if Batman beat Bane, his goons would've gunned Bats down. Some people think Alfred was hallucinating/imagining. But as others have pointed out, he wouldn't have been that familiar with Selina Kyle to imagine her with Bruce. Also, the only hallucination in the movie, Bruce's of Ra's Al Ghul, is revealled as such. A movie can have it both ways, stated dreams and hallucinations...then be ambigious later. We are left with the truth that Wayne and Kyle were in Italy. However, that leaves Batman's escape a real mystery. Some suggest another copy of THE BAT...but where was it at and there's no way he'd have time to switch aircraft. Bailing out, sure, but they showed piloting him too soon before the explosion. Yeah, but that was the next day, IIRC. Gordon never changes clothes? Not sure about that. The impression is she and Bane intended to die in Gothman anyway. Even if she isn't hanging out with Bane, there's no reason to stay in Wayne corp. building, where she might be the victim of thugs who don't know who she really is, just another one percenter as far as they know. I'd like to think the US Gov would've done something sooner than later. Then I remembered New Orleans and Katrina. So I don't know. We know Wayne could do it. But it's still funny we are expected to take that for granted. Some other have pointed out that shooting a plane full of bullets then trying to make it look like a crash doesn't work. The draining blood thing I didn't get...must've not been paying attention. |
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Post by Felix on Aug 8, 2012 16:25:46 GMT -8
Maybe he was piloting the escape pod ;-)
All these plot holes, just seem meant to get people to see it more than once.
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Post by Bravo on Aug 20, 2012 10:54:12 GMT -8
This is so stupidly amusing
They made it months before the film was released and got footage of the film during its production.
Go to part 2 deleted scenes where some woman tells them to knock it off. (around 10:20)
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Post by Bravo on Jul 29, 2013 17:22:00 GMT -8
Funny but Not safe for work...
"In an order that would surprise you!"
That guy as Batman Badman is awesome
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JK. 
